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Отчет DSB 13.10.15: MH17 About the investigation

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The Malaysia Airlines branch in the Netherlands initially cooperated with the investigation
and gave the Dutch Safety Board the opportunity to interview various employees of the
airline in the Netherlands. It also provided a part of the requested information. However,
at a later stage this cooperation was (temporarily) suspended by order of the airline’s
headquarters.
From the start of the investigation it proved to be more complicated to organise
interviews with employees of the Malaysian government and the airline in Kuala Lumpur.
The same applied to obtaining the documents the investigators requested them. Over
time, in January 2015, investigators from the Dutch Safety Board were given the
opportunity to talk to a few relevant employees from Malaysia Airlines in Kuala Lumpur
regarding the investigations into passenger information and the decision-making related
to the flight route. For these investigations, the investigators in the end did not entirely
succeed to obtain all information from the Malaysian government. For the investigation
into the causes of the crash Malaysia Airlines provided all information the Dutch Safety
Board requested.
Ukraine and the Russian Federation
For the investigation into the crash of flight MH17, the Dutch Safety Board tried to acquire
all primary and secondary surveillance radar data from the involved air navigation service
providers in Ukraine and the Russian Federation. The use of raw radar data in the
investigation into aircraft accidents is common because the images that the air traffc
controllers use are the result of the processing of these raw data.

Primary and secondary surveillance radar data
Primary radar provides an image of the aircrafts in the airspace based on the
reflection of emitted radio waves. The positions and velocities of aircrafts in the
airspace are mapped by the radar station receiving a reflection of the aircrafts
present. Primary radar data are a reliable source for determining which aircrafts are
in an airspace at a certain moment.
Secondary surveillance radar interrogates the aircraft’s transponder, which can only
occur if there is a working transponder on board the aircraft. The transponder’s signal
contains information about the identity, altitude and speed of the aircraft as measured
in the aircraft. Primary and secondary surveillance radar data are often combined on
a screen into one single image of the airspace by and for air traffc control.

The international team investigating the causes of the crash convened on various
occasions during the project, as is common in an aircraft accident investigation, to discuss
and establish the fndings to date. After the frst progress meeting with the international
investigation partners in February 2015, the Dutch Safety Board identifed which relevant
information was missing and what efforts would be required to obtain it after all. The
Dutch Safety Board subsequently deployed its special envoy for international affairs, a
former diplomat. He tried to establish international relations at a high political level with
the aim of obtaining the information required for the investigation. Because the Russian

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accredited representative in the investigation team committed to provide information
during the progress meeting of the international investigation partners, diplomatic
efforts during the subsequent period focused primarily on obtaining information from
Ukraine. In the meantime it had become apparent that also for the investigation into the
flight route of flight MH17 supplemental information was needed from Ukraine.
At the end of March, a team of investigators from the Dutch Safety Board travelled to
Ukraine together with the Dutch Safety Board’s special envoy for international affairs. The
objective of this trip was to obtain primary radar data27 and documents from the Ukrainian
military authorities related to the management of the airspace. The latter involved a
request by Ukraine’s military authorities to Ukraine’s air traffc control services to close the
airspace for civil aviation below a certain altitude. The delegation also wanted an answer
to supplemental questions about the airspace management by Ukraine and to establish
relations at the highest possible level in order to ascertain which other information was
still missing. The visit yielded documents from the Ukrainian military authorities, but no
raw primary radar data. During the visit, the Ukrainian authorities explained why the radar
data were unavailable to the Dutch Safety Board. They also provided written answers to
questions about the decision-making related to closing the airspace.
From Ukraine the Dutch Safety Board only received the data from the secondary surveillance
radar (raw and processed). In addition, Ukraine also provided a video replay of a radar
screen from the processed secondary surveillance radar data.
During the second progress meeting in May 2015, the Russian accredited representative
announced that the data from the primary and secondary surveillance radar were not
available. The Russian Federation declared that it had not saved this information, because
it was not obliged to do so since the crash had not taken place on Russian territory. In
July 2014, the Russian Federation supplied a video recording of the processed primary
and secondary surveillance radar data.
NATO
Following the crash of flight MH17, international media devoted attention to events and
developments that had taken place prior to the crash, which possibly indicated risks to
aircrafts overflying the conflict area in the eastern part of Ukraine. The media highlighted
two events. On 24 June 2014, before the crash of flight MH17, the American Permanent
Representative to the United Nations spoke about the situation in the eastern part of
Ukraine at the UN Security Council. One of the issues she raised was the crash of a
military transport aeroplane during landing at Luhansk airport. On 30 June 2014, NATO
General Breedlove spoke at a press conference about the build up of Russian troops on
the eastern side of the border with Ukraine. He stated:
“What we see in training on the east side of the border is big equipment, tanks, APCs,
anti-aircraft capability, and now we see those capabilities being used on the west side of
the border.”


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“We have not seen any of the air defense vehicles across the border yet, but we’ve seen
them training in the western part of Russia, et cetera. So I think that there are several
types and capabilities of heavy weaponry that are moving across that border.”
The Dutch Ministers of Security and Justice, of Foreign Affairs and of Defence also sent
information to the House of Representatives of the Dutch Parliament on 13 October
2014. The ministers stated that on the day of the crash of flight MH17, NATO AWACS
aeroplanes had carried out missions in Poland and Romania.
The Dutch Safety Board was interested in the information sources on which the
statements by General Breedlove and the Dutch ministers were based. These sources
were of interest for the investigation into the causes of the crash and for the investigation
into the flight route. For this reason, the Dutch Safety Board asked NATO to provide
information about the number of military aircrafts that had been shot down since the
beginning of the conflict and about radar data or other data that NATO’s AWACS
aeroplanes had collected that could be relevant to the investigation into the crash of
flight MH17.
NATO stated that since NATO is not responsible for Ukraine’s airspace, it could not
supply any defnitive data. NATO also declared that NATO specialists, at request of the
Dutch Safety Board, had re-examined the data from the AWACS aeroplanes but that
these data did not contain any information relevant to the investigation into the crash of
flight MH17.
Consequences for the investigations of not receiving information
As explained, the Dutch Safety Board was not able to talk to everyone it wished in
relation to the investigation into the crash of flight MH17. For various reasons the Dutch
Safety Board did not receive all the requested information. In some cases, the interviews
or other information exchanges only took place during a late stage of the investigation,
causing a delay. Relevant parties in Ukraine and Malaysia could only be interviewed in
2015, and various documents requested from (parties in) these countries only became
available in the course of that year. The investigations into the flight route and the causes
of the crash in particular, were hindered by the fact that this information had not been
available for a long time.
The Dutch Safety Board put much effort into obtaining access to all information relevant
to the investigation. Not all of the requested information turned out to be available and
not all information available was provided to the Dutch Safety Board. Nevertheless, the
Dutch Safety Board was able to substantiate the fndings in the report with various
sources.
In one case the lack of information caused the Dutch Safety Board to be unable to draw
conclusions on a specifc aspect of the investigation. The extent to which Malaysian
intelligence services or government possessed information about the situation in the
eastern part of Ukraine, did not become clear in the investigation into the flight route.

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7.4 Concurrence with the criminal investigation
Following the crash of flight MH17, an international criminal investigation started on
7 August 2014. This investigation is conducted by a Joint Investigation Team (JIT), in
which police and judicial authorities from the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, Belgium
and Ukraine cooperate. The Netherlands coordinates the investigation. The objective of
the criminal investigation differs from that of the investigation conducted by the Dutch
Safety Board. The Dutch Safety Board focused on the question of what happened and
what can be learned, and not on the question of who is to blame. The Joint Investigation
Team, on the other hand, focuses on the causes of the crash in response to the question
of whether punishable offences have been committed and who can be held responsible
in terms of criminal law.
Since both investigations considered the same events, they partly relied on the same
evidence - each from their own perspective. This situation required coordination between
the crash investigation and the criminal investigation to prevent both investigations, each
responding to a legitimate social need, from frustrating each other. This necessary
alignment was achieved through agreements between the Dutch Safety Board, being
the accident investigation authority, and the Dutch Public Prosecution Service as
coordinator of the Joint Investigation Team.
The agreements constitute a detailed elaboration of the existing Dutch Safety
Board - Dutch Public Prosecution Service Coordination Protocol (Afstemmingsprotocol
Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid - Openbaar Ministerie). This protocol regulates the
coordination between both organisations in general sense if a criminal investigation and
an investigation by the Dutch Safety Board into an occurrence are conducted
simultaneously. Additional agreements were required given the complexity of both
investigations, their concurrence and the international context in which these
investigations took place. These agreements related to the reciprocal exchange of
investigative information, the seizure of physical evidence and documents, the
examination of the pieces of wreckage and the fragments and periodical coordination
consultation.
Sharing information related to investigations
In order to determine the causes of an accident or crash, it is of great importance that
those involved can speak freely and are able to provide the Dutch Safety Board with
information without having to fear prosecution under criminal law. Both Annex 13 to the
Chicago Convention and the Kingdom Act Dutch Safety Board include various provisions
on the subject of maintaining the confdentiality of information related to the investigation.
Insofar as these provisions offered this possibility, information that was also needed for
the success of the international criminal investigation was shared with the Dutch Public
Prosecution Service. The idea was not to withhold information if that would hinder the
progress of the criminal investigation. Thus the Dutch Safety Board continually considered
whether sharing information could in any way be detrimental to its own investigation.
Vice versa, the Dutch Public Prosecution Service also shared information pro-actively if it
was relevant to the accident investigation.

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Examination of the wreckage
As mentioned elsewhere in this report, the Dutch Safety Board was responsible for
recovering the wreckage pieces and their transport to the Netherlands. The recovered
material was inspected and sorted at Gilze-Rijen Air Base in the presence of the Dutch
Public Prosecution Service, who indicated which pieces could be relevant to the criminal
investigation. These pieces were marked.
After this, the material became available for examination to both parties simultaneously.
Destructive examination (meaning: an examination of an irreversible nature) could only
take place once both parties had investigated the relevant material for damage patterns
and traces, and after both parties consented. All pieces of wreckage, parts or secured
evidence were only to leave the hangar in Gilze-Rijen for investigation after the Dutch
Safety Board and the Dutch Public Prosecution Service had agreed. This applied, for
example, to material analyses that were performed by external agencies.
Examination of the human remains
The Dutch Public Prosecution Service seized the human remains when they arrived in the
Netherlands, after which the injuries and the fragments that were found in the bodies
were forensically examined. The Dutch Safety Board was informed of the results of these
examinations, and used these for its own investigation. The Dutch Safety Board did not
perform its own examination of the human remains.
Recorders from flight MH17
During the investigation, the Dutch Safety Board provided the Dutch Public Prosecution
Service with the data fles from the flight data recorder and some of the data from the
cockpit voice recorder. The Dutch Safety Board was very cautious with providing the
recordings in order to guarantee the cockpit crew’s privacy. In the presence of the Dutch
Safety Board and the Public Prosecution Service, specialised staff listened to the sound
recordings on the Dutch Safety Board’s premises, with the objective of determining what
information could be essential to the criminal investigation. The entire 30-minute
recording was found not to be relevant in that respect, with the exception of the fnal
milliseconds, the moment when the aeroplane was hit. After consultation with the Dutch
Public Prosecution Service it was decided, for the abovementioned reasons, to hand over
only the recording of this short period of time. The data carriers themselves were not
handed over. These remained in the hands of the Dutch Safety Board.
Examination of the fragments
Both the Dutch Public Prosecution Service and the Dutch Safety Board arranged for the
fragments found in and on victims’ bodies and in and on in the pieces of wreckage to be
analysed. Both parties outsourced this process separately to external agencies, but
jointly coordinated this process, since the outcomes constituted a substantial source of
information for both the criminal investigation and the Dutch Safety Board’s investigation.
With regard to the fragments found in the victims’ bodies, a selection of human remains
was made of which scans revealed that they contained ‘foreign’ fragments. The selection
included the human remains of the crew in the cockpit. The fragments were removed
from the bodies by forensic investigators commissioned by the Dutch Public Prosecution
Service. The fragments were removed from the wreckage pieces by the Dutch Safety

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Board and the Dutch Public Prosecution Service. The Dutch Public Prosecution Service
and the Dutch Safety Board shared the results of the different analyses that they had
arranged.
Other evidence
In addition to the aforementioned information, the Dutch Safety Board provided the
Dutch Public Prosecution Service with the following information: photographs of the
wreckage area, lists of the parts of the aeroplane that had been seized and information
about the damage patterns on the wreckage pieces. Statements from individuals as well
as medical and private information collected by the Dutch Safety Board were not shared
with the Dutch Public Prosecution Service. In addition to the results of the forensic
analyses of the fragments, the Dutch Public Prosecution Service shared other information
with the Dutch Safety Board, such as the autopsy and inspection reports of the victims,
photographic and video material and the results of the analyses concerning the found
objects that probably originate from a missile.
Periodic consultation
Throughout the investigation frequent consultations took place between the Dutch
Public Prosecution Service and the Dutch Safety Board, during which they discussed the
progress of the investigation activities and matters related to this.
7.5 Classifed information
All the Dutch Safety Board’s investigation material is of a confdential nature. However, in
the investigation into the crash of flight MH17, confdential information was used that the
Dutch authorities had categorised as ‘classifed’ 28 and which the Dutch Safety Board was
not able to access at all times or could not include in its reports. The central government
of the Netherlands adopts different levels of classifcation, from ‘Departmentally
confdential’ to ‘Top State Secret’. It is unusual for the Dutch Safety Board to work with
this type of material and to not have all the source material in its possession. This is why
additional explanation of the working methods concerning classifed information is given
here.
The Kingdom Act Dutch Safety Board stipulates that the Minister of the Interior and
Kingdom Relations, the Minister of Defence and the Minister of Security and Justice, or
persons under their jurisdiction, may provide confdential information to the Dutch Safety
Board.29 The provision of information on a confdential basis to the Dutch Safety Board
takes place by applying Article 57 of the Kingdom Act Dutch Safety Board. This article
describes situations in which the Dutch Safety Board does not include information in its
report, such as information that might endanger the unity of the Crown or might harm
the security of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.30


28 Classifed information concerns all information that can harm the interests of the state in any way by its disclosure.
29 Article 40, paragraph 2 of the Kingdom Act Dutch Safety Board.
30 Article 57 of the Kingdom Act Dutch Safety Board.

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How to handle classifed information in the investigation into flight MH17 was determined
in consultation with the organisations that were owner of the information. The central
question in this consideration was whether use of this information could endanger the
security of the Netherlands. An additional consideration was the extent to which the
information was necessary for arriving at a conclusion or whether the information could
also be used in a supporting capacity.
In the investigation into the crash of flight MH17, classifed information was used in several
ways. Firstly, there were classifed documents that the Dutch Safety Board had requested
in the context of the investigation and of which it kept copies at its The Hague offce.
Internal agreements applied to consulting, storing and archiving these documents, with
special guarantees for the protection of and access to the information.
Secondly, it concerned classifed information that was available for the Dutch Safety
Board for inspection only. The Dutch Safety Board was able to see into relevant classifed
information regarding flight MH17 that was in the possession of the MIVD and the AIVD.
This concerned information from the MIVD and the AIVD themselves and from intelligence
services of other countries. This classifed information included the results of the
application of intelligence-gathering methods. The Dutch Safety Board used this
classifed information to verify its fndings. The fndings of the Dutch Safety Board as
described in the report about the crash of flight MH17 agree with this classifed
information. The classifed information confrms the fndings about the causes of the
crash described in de investigation report. Because of national security reasons, this
classifed information could not be publicised.
Since it is unusual for the Dutch Safety Board to make use of classifed military information,
an agreement was concluded between the Dutch Safety Board and the MIVD for this
specifc investigation. This agreement stipulates that both organisations may provide the
other with the information it needs to perform its legal tasks, either or not on request.
The Dutch Safety Board was allowed to consult classifed information under strict
confdentiality. Consultation of the secret information was limited to Board members and
a small number of Dutch Safety Board employees who had undergone an extensive
security screening for handling secret information.31
Lastly, classifed information was included in the investigation which the Dutch Safety
Board neither had access to nor was able to see into. This concerned information from
the Dutch Intelligence and Security Services (AIVD and MIVD) related to the armed
conflict in the eastern part of Ukraine. At the Dutch Safety Board’s request, the Minister
of the Interior and Kingdom Relations and the Minister of Defence asked the Dutch
Review Committee on the Intelligence and Security Services (CTIVD) in their letter dated
21 November 2014 to examine this information.32 The Ministers asked the CTIVD to
report the fndings directly to the Board members of the Dutch Safety Board. The letter
also mentions the agreement that the Dutch Safety Board shall frst submit the CTIVD
report to both Ministers to check it for any state secrets prior to the Dutch Safety Board


31 This concerns a so-called Level A security screening.
32 The CTIVD has far-reaching mandate for the execution of its legal task. It has access to all relevant information of
the AIVD and the MIVD and may interrogate all staff members of these organisations.

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making it public. Before fnalising its report, the CTIVD submitted it with references to
underlying classifed sources to the AIVD and the MIVD for verifcation of the facts. Both
intelligence services made only a few minor comments and on 10 April 2015, the CTIVD
handed over the still classifed report to the Dutch Safety Board members without any
references to classifed sources. In conformity with the letter of 21 November 2014, the
Dutch Safety Board subsequently submitted the report to both Ministers to have it
checked for potentially classifed information. The Ministers did not fnd any state secrets
in the report, which was then declassifed.

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STATEMENT BY THE BOARD
In its reports, the Dutch Safety Board gives an account of the investigations it has
conducted following the crash of flight MH17. In this document, the Dutch Safety Board
gives an account of the manner in which the investigations were set up and carried out.
From the very beginning, the efforts of the Dutch Safety Board were aimed at executing
the investigation independently, profesionally and transparently within the frameworks
provided by the Chicago Convention and by Dutch law.
The Board concludes that the information gathered is suffcient and suitable for
substantiating the fndings and conclusions that are presented in the separate investigation
reports.
The Board points out that the investigation and the related decision-making process
were carried out in an independent manner. The Board was able to gather information
without influence from other parties and arrive at autonomous conclusions based on that
information. Consulting the accredited representatives and the organisations involved
about the draft reports has contributed to the high quality of the reports and underlines
the care that was taken in the work.
The Board feels it is unlikely that further investigation will lead to a noticeably greater
certainty as to the reliability and completeness of the information obtained. In addition,
the Board does not consider it desirable to make society, in particular the relatives, wait
any longer for the answers that the investigation provides. For that reason, the Dutch
Safety Board has decided to conclude its investigation and to publish its fndings and
conclusions.
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T.H.J. Joustra
Chairman, Dutch Safety Board

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APPENDICES
Appendix A. Project team .......................................................................70
Appendix B. Notifcation to the Dutch Safety Board ...................................71
Appendix C. Memorandum of Understanding Ukraine-the Netherlands
with regard to the delegation of the investigation.......................................72
Appendix D. Agreement NBAAI - Dutch Safety Board with regard
to the delegation of the investigation .......................................................74
Appendix E. Confrmation of participation in the investigation
by Australia..........................................................................................78
Appendix F. Invitation to the Russian Federation to participate
in the investigation............................................................................... 79
Appendix G. Agreements about the recovery of the wreckage................... 80
Appendix H. Request with regard to recovery of the wreckage...................82
Appendix I. Priority list of wreckage pieces ............................................ 83
Appendix J. Request with regard to the removal of the remaining
pieces of wreckage ...............................................................................91
Appendix K. Analysis techniques used..................................................... 93
Appendix L. Response to the comments of the Russian Federation...............94

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APPENDIX A
PROJECT TEAM
The project team of this report ‘MH17 - About the investigation’ was made up of the
following individuals:

E.K. Verolme              Investigation Manager
E. Leydesdorff            Project Manager
M. Giesen                  Investigator
A.J. van der Kolk        Investigator
S. Pijnse van der Aa   Investigator
N. Smit                     Investigator
A. van der Zande       Investigator

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APPENDIX B
NOTIFICATION TO THE DUTCH SAFETY BOARD

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APPENDIX C
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING UKRAINE-THE NETHERLANDS
WITH REGARD TO THE DELEGATION OF THE INVESTIGATION

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APPENDIX D
AGREEMENT NBAAI - DUTCH SAFETY BOARD WITH REGARD TO THE
DELEGATION OF THE INVESTIGATION

Published on the Dutch Safety Board’s website on 13 October 2014

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APPENDIX E
CONFIRMATION OF PARTICIPATION IN THE INVESTIGATION BY
AUSTRALIA

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APPENDIX F
INVITATION TO THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
INVESTIGATION

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APPENDIX G
AGREEMENTS ABOUT THE RECOVERY OF THE WRECKAGE
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APPENDIX H
REQUEST WITH REGARD TO RECOVERY OF THE WRECKAGE

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APPENDIX I
PRIORITY LIST OF WRECKAGE PIECES

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