DOC 2. OPERATION AVENELLA

Between 22 April 2015 and 2 July 2015 “in the matter of AFP Case Reference No. 5667342 (Operation AVENELLA)” took place. Imagery specialist Shaun Ellis and geospatial specialist Tim Johns from Australia examined four images related to this operation.

Metadata and assessments mentioned in their report.

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Let’s split up this information in smaller bits and have a closer look.

Files Donetsk02.jpg, Snizhne01.jpg and Torez.jpg have been created 30 June 2015. That is two days before the end of Operation AVENELLA. Writers of the report surely would have mentioned if the images were created later than they conducted their analysis. Therefore it is fair to assume the image files were analyzed by them after 30 June 2015.

Thus two questions come to mind:

Why nearly a year passed before the Australian police obtained and analyzed these images?

Why would the Australian police waste precious time and resources analyzing four non primary images?

The ‘Donetsk01.jpg’ was published by the French magazine Paris Match in small format on 23 July 2014, eight days after the tragedy. The Donetsk02.jpg’ was also published by Paris Match on 25 July 2014.

That these are non primary images is very obvious since the Paris Match logo was inserted into the originals and had then to be resaved.

More important, Paris Match star reporter Alfred de Montesquiou claimed the first published image was taken in Snizhne he later had to correct to Donetsk, about 70 kilometers to the west. Then the story changed again and it was explained that not a Paris Match journalist but a freelancer had taken the images, which later again was changed into the story that a hired driver of the French journalists crew had taken a video and went back to the hotel in Donetsk to show it to the French who initially did not pay much attention to it.

Who is this driver?

Why Paris Match only published two images but not the video?

And, why were the Australians analyzing non primary images/screenshots and not the ‘originals’ from Paris Match even a year after the tragedy?

The Snizhne01.jpg image analyzed by the AFP team has dimensions 800 x 1423.

Visually identical image (with dimensions 337 x 600 pixels) was posted on Twitter on 17 July 2014 by an anonymous account named GirkinGirkin. Aspect ratios of 800 x 1423 and 337 x 600 are the same.

Note. The process of downsizing photos reduces the pixel count used by objects in the photo. Together with artifcial noise, this process can be used to conceal some of the object’s details. Most importantly, if something was added to the photo with Photoshop and had flaws visible to the naked eye, resizing it to a smaller size may either hide the flaws or make them less obvious.

In the documentary “MH17 – Call for Justice” a witness testifies and explains why image Torez.jpg could not have been taken on 17 July 2014.

Same questions as for Snizhne01.jpg:

Where is the original image, when was it taken, who took it?

and

Why is the date modified prior to the date the file was created?

For more detailed information about issues with these four images I refer to examinations of evidence from social media by Sergey Mastepanov published June 2015 and October 2015.

DOC 4. LETTER about BUK Positions (Russian and Ukranian)
Letter from the Dutch Military Information and Investigation Service legal affairs department addressed to the public prosecutor at the National Prosecutor’s Office on Counter Terrorism.

Date 21 September 2016
Re Official Notice

Herewith I am informing, pursuant to Section 38 of the Intelligence and Securty Services Act 2002, of data that is possibly of importance for the criminal investigation into the crashing of flight MH17.

In addition to my official notice of 24 June 2015 MIVD has, on the basis of reliable sources and analyses of locations relating to the 9K37M1 Buk-M1 (SA-11A GADFLY) that were listed in the official notice of 24 June 2015, examined whether 9A310M1 radar and launch vehicles on these locations could have been involved in the downing of MH17.

In addition, MIVD looked into the other ground based air defence systems present in the region in July 2014 and that were, as far as operational deployability, specifications, performance and location goes, capable of hitting flight MH17.
In July 2014 the Ukrainian armed forces had operational S-300PS Volkhov-M6 systems (referred to as SA-10B GRUMBLE by NATO) at their disposal.
In July 2014 operational S-300 PM2 Favorit [systems] (referred to as SA-20B GARGOY by NATO) of the Russian armed forces were present the border region with Ukraine.

The table below lists the 9K37M1 Buk-M1 systems (referred to as SA-11A GADFLY by Nato) mentioned in my official notice of 24 June 2015, including their operational status, deployability and distance to the point of impact with flight MH17

9K37M1 Buk-M1 Air Defence Systems present in the region (range 42km).

COUNTRY                  LOCATION                          DATE 2014         DISTANCE

1  Ukraine   48°36’38.00″N 39°14’00.00″E        No                 67 km

2 Ukraine   48°5’58.00″N 37°45’13.00″E            No                  66 km

3 Ukraine  47° 6’25.00″N 37°28’28.00″E            No                  135 km

4 Ukraine   45°13’11.00″N 33°22’42.00″E        June + July     515 km

5 Ukraine   49° 0’34.00″N 37°18’42.00″E        June + July     137 km

6 Ukraine   48°42’23.00″N 37°38’1.00″E          June + July     98 km

7 Ukraine   48°13’14.00″N 36° 1’20.00″E           June + July     191 km

8 Ukraine   47°58’12.00″N 36°34’26.00″E        June + July     154 km

9 Russia     48°44’14.00″N 40° 1’36.00″E           11 – 19 July      122 km

10 Russia   48°38’54.00″N 39°50’18.00″E      From 18 July    106 km

11 Russia    48°17’51.00″N 40° 4’42.00″E          From 20 July   108 km

From the table it becomes apparent that flight MH17 was flying beyond the range of all identified and operational Ukrainian and Russian locations where 9K37M1 Buk M1 systems were deployed.

In view of the locations of the systems identified and the speed with which these can be moved, as well as the nature, development and conflict and border zone of the fight against the separatists on July 2014 it is unlikely that a 9A310M1 launch vehicle originating from the Ukrainian armed forces could have been moved in time for flight MH17 to come within its range and be hit.

All operational Ukrainian S-300PS Volkov-M6 identified were at least 250 kms away from the point were MH17 was hit. The S-300PS Volkov-M6 system has a maximum range of 75kms. On this basis MIVD draws the conclusion that S-300PS Volkhov-M6 system was not used for the downing of flight MH17.

The only operational system identified with a range wide enough to shoot down flight MH17 concerned two Russian S-300PM2 Favorit systems near the Russian town of Rostov na Donu. MIVD does have (partner) information that would indicate the use of the 36N85 (referred to as TOMB STONE by NATO) fire control radar for the guidance of and/or launch of a surface-to-air missile from the 48NS series (referred to as GARGOYLE by NATO) on 17 July 2014.
These locations are in the immediate vicinity of large population centres and the launch of a missile would most likely have led to messages on social media or other public media. MIVD is not aware of such publications.

By order of the

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE

The Director of the Military Intelligence and Security Service

O. Eichelsheim

Major general

End of Official Notice.

Plotting the given coordinates of eleven locations on a map gives this result:

Green pin : crash site Grabovo
Yellow pins: Ukrainian Buk M1 locations according to MIVD.
Blue pins : Russian Buk M1 locations according to MIVD.
Yellow line : Border Ukraine – Russia

One of the conclusions that can be drawn from this Official Notice by the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service is that on the basis of sources it considers reliable it “becomes apparent that flight MH17 was flying beyond the range of all identified and operational Ukrainian and Russian locations where 9K37M1 Buk M1 systems were deployed.”
The main conclusion: the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service on 21 September 2016 (ONE WEEK before the JIT press-conference on 28th September 2016!) had no information from any reliable source that any Russian Buk-M1 had crossed the border with Ukraine during any time during the conflict.

How is that possible?

When we zoom in on the map and look at the three locations (blue pins) of Russian Buk-M1 we notice these three locations are not only too far from the crash site, but even on the Russian side of the border.

Now let’s have a closer look at Location (10) 48°38’54.00″N 39°50’18.00″E where according to MIVD a Buk-M1 was stationed 18 July 2014 and onwards is only 6,8km from the border with Ukraine.

Google Earth has limited options to chose satellite images by date. We checked this location and four different dates showed:

28 June 2014 – no vehicles

2 July 2014 – 8 vehicles visible

17 July 2014 – no vehicles

25 July 2014 – no vehicles

No Google Earth data for 18 July 2014 is available for this location.

Striking is the fact that the Dutch military has detailed information about positions of mobile Russian Buk system positions thus not stationed on their regular bases, while most Ukrainian Buks are only mentioned at stationary positions at their military bases.

Is it credible Ukraine kept almost all its Buk systems at their bases and did not at any moment during the ‘Anti Terrorist Operation'(ATO) move its air defense assets to mobile locations outside their bases? How likely is that, knowing 12 July 2014 Ukrainian air defense forces have been put on full combat alert?

Coming back to the question raised at the beginning of this article: was MH17 properly investigated?

From the analyses I conducted over the years I have substantiated doubts and the content of the freshly leaked information from these four documents only makes my doubts stronger.

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Albertovic_EN.pdf
Translator :T
Aleksander :A
Investigator :I
A: I can’t hear you.
T: Aleksander , you can hear me , right?
A: Yes, yes.
T: Good evening, at last we have a connection with you via Skype.
A: I should have done it the same way yesterday.
T: You probably did not manage to do it. Luckily we managed to do it today.
T: I had to do it this way yesterday but….
A: But I can’t see you.
T: But I can’t see you.
I: We deliberately put tape on it.
T: We intentionally covered the camera.
A: Okay, it sometimes happens that when the camera is on the connection deteriorates.
That is what worries me.
T: But you can hear me properly?
A: Yes.
T: I can hear you very well to that is why I hope that we will be able to hear and
understand one another well during the conversation.
A: I also wanted to show you a drawing that I made . But this way is okay as well. You
can see me though, can’t you?
T: I cannot see you either because the camera is covered with tape.
T: I can’t see him either?
I: No, we can’t see him either.
T: He has put something on paper… made a drawing.
A: You can cover your camera with tape but you should be able to see me.
T: You can cover your own camera with tape but you can see me if you want.
I: Tell him that I have no objection . It is okay but I reckon we have skype without
camera here.
T: Shall I try? It is here, right?
I: Go ahead.
T: One moment please…I can’t see you yet . Turn on your camera. I will be able to see
you but you cannot see me.
A: It is set to yellow over here. The camera is on.
T: I can only see the yellow colour, that is all. That is here? But I can’t see him.
I: You don’t see him…
A: My camera is on. I pressed this …crossed out… in the yellow disappeared…
T: But if you remove the crossed out one I will be able to see you.
I: …
T: He just wants to try.
A: I should not remove the crossed out one… I was beginning to understand more
about it….
T: But if you remove the crossed out one then….
A: Still a yellow colour .. now it has disappeared altogether.. now I see the yellow
colour go round and round again.
T: But I should be able to see you, but you don’t see me.
A: The most important thing is that you can see me…I will show you.

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T: But I can’t see you… maybe your camera does not work
A: The camera does work, I just talked to my brother.
T: In that case I don’t know why I can’t see you.
A: I just talked to my brother near here in Lugansk province.
T: I just talked to my brother and he was able to see me well…shall we continue our
conversation anyway.. one moment please.. I am going to ask these questions at the
beginning…?
I: His name first, tell him that I am a Dutch police officer…
T: Can you please say your full name
A: Bozenko Aleksander Albertovic,, Al.bertovich, you write it with the softening accent.
T: I understand
I: What is his address?
T: What is your address?
A: Enakievo, ulitsa (translator: street) Chernomorskaya 58a.
T: Ulitsa Chernomorskaya 58a, Enakievo. I have made a note of it.
Sitting next to me here is someone from the police, he is going to ask you questions.
A: Please do so.
T: Your questions please.
I: …. Why did you contact us?
T: You contacted us , you reacted to our message . What do you want to tell us? Why did
you contact us?
A: I contacted you… I told you before that I did my military service with the PVO(antiaircraft defence T240) in the Moscow area. Airliners… an airliner was flying low… the
cloud cover was 50% a little lower than the lower layer of clouds … higher… flew an
airliner.. the airplane was clearly visible. Behind at a short distance on either side there
were two fighter jets, it was like an elongated triangle. Do you understand what I mean?
T: Yes, I understand.. one moment , I will translate it.
A: Yes, go ahead, I have to go for a minute as well….
T: I think he is going to the toilet.. in the mean time I am going to translate. Let me see, It
was cloudy that day for 50%.. Under the clouds I saw an airliner flying.. . I was well able to
see it. .. what I also saw at not too great a distance from the airliner were two fighter jets on
either side and together they formed a kind of triangle.
I: Where was he at that moment that he saw that?
T: Are you sitting in front of the camera again?
A: Yes, yes.
T: You told me what you saw. Where were you yourself at that moment.
A: I slept during the day and in the evening I went to the vegetable plot.. for the
evening… the siren had just gone off .. here near us at the factory when the shifts change
the siren sounds… I was working in the vegetable plot at that moment, I did not look at the
telephone .. put the telephone next to me, I was picking tomatoes because we were not
receiving any pension money, so I was picking tomatoes and binding them up. I see
airplanes fly. The first one was an airliner by the size of it and behind it at some distance
no more than 20, 25 maybe even 30 kilometres seemingly on either side two fighter jets in
the shape of an elongated triangle.
T: One moment… you said before the evening... but at what time was this roughly?
A: The siren sounds at 3 o’clock in the afternoon.
T: That means that you went to the vegetable plot at 3 o’clock.
A: The siren sounds at 3 o’clock .. the shifts are from 07:00 hours until 15:00 hours,
from 15:00 hours to 23:00 hours and from 23:00 hours until 07:00 hours. The siren of the
factory near us sounds….

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T: So, on that day I was at home at first, I slept in the afternoon, and later I went to my
vegetable plot , I did hear the signal from the factory, it goes off at regular times… at 15:00 ,
23:00 and at 07:00 in the morning. At 15:00 I heard the factory signal and at that moment I
was in the vegetable plot, I went to pick tomatoes , I don’t get a pension so I have to provide
for myself.
I: Where is his vegetable plot?
T: Can you tell me where your vegetable plot is?
A: You can look at a map of Enakievo… a village… [translator : inaudible] ulitsa
Chernomorskaja [translator: street name].. the street runs there from North to East, my
house is aligned from North to East. Look on the map of Enakievo at the ulitsa
Chernomorskaja.
T: You said that your house is on Chernomorskaja (street) from North to East and that
you have a garden and a house.
A: Yes, a garden to the side of and behind the house. The plot of land is 12 x 100, the
house with the garden 5x 100 and the rest if it is the vegetable plot.
T: If you take my street. I live from north to west along this street. There I have my house
and my vegetable plot. If you look it up on the map you will see that my house is there, it is
house number 58a. That is where my house and vegetable plot are.
I: When he was in his vegetable plot, he says that he saw an airliner fly with two fighter
jets on either side of it. From his vegetable garden, in what direction did he have to look in
order to be able to see that?
T: You told me that you were in the vegetable plot at the moment that you saw an
airplane fly and behind this airplane you saw two fighter jets fly. In what direction did they
fly?
A: They flew from west to east.
T: From west to east. Again, he stated earlier. The airliner was…. elongated and he could
see two fighter jets at a distance of about 20, 25, 30 km from it. From west to east.
I: It flew from west to east.
T: So you said that it flew from west to east?
A: Yes, from west to east.
I: Could he indicate from his vegetable plot that he had to look in the direction of for
instance town A or town B or town C?
T: When you saw the aircraft fly, in what direction were they flying for instance in the
direction of this town or that town. In the direction of what town did this airplane fly?
A: If you look at the map (I did that region on foot and for about 15 years by
motorcycle) , you will see Enakievo and after that… the direction of Kirov, Kirovskoje.
T: Kirovskoje? Do you mean to say that you saw that it flew from Enakievo in the
direction of Kirovskoje?
A: Yes, from Enakievo towards Kirovskoje, further on there is Shakhtjorsk and Torez.
I know Torez well, I grew up there, my family lives there, I have lived here continuously for
60 years.
T: So you saw the airplane fly in the direction of Kirovskoje, Shaktjorsk and Torez?
A: Yes, in that direction.
T: One moment please, in the direction of Kirovskoje… those are places Shakhtjorsk,
should I spell it? And Torez. I know these places like the back of my hand. That is where I
come from, that area.
I: He sees an airplane with two fighter jets on either side. What did he see after that?
T: So you are standing there, you see an airliner and two fighter jets. What happened next?
A: I stood and looked until they disappeared behind the clouds. The sky was clouded
over for 50%. The important point was that the airliner was flying rather low. I told you

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before that I served with the PVO (anti-aircraft defence T240)in Moscow, I looked because
I was interested, an old habit I have.
T: You saw it fly and?
A: And behind at a certain distance in the form of an elongated triangle , so not with
equal sides, fighter jets were flying in the same direction, the same way and as they say at
the same ceiling
T: What do you mean ‘ceiling’?
A: That is the altitude from the ground.
T: I stood looking at the airplanes, that is a habit of mine because I did military service
during the Soviet era, I was always interested in looking at the aircraft in the sky every time.
I: What did he see?
T: So I saw the aircraft, three aircraft , first an airliner and two fighter jets one behind the
other, next to each other or in any event in the form of an elongated triangle . I stood and
watched how they flew into the clouds.
I: And then?
T: You stood and you watched as they flew into the clouds. Three aircraft. Correct?
A: It was light cloud with about 50% cloud cover, an airliner, it was of larger
proportions, and two fighter jets behind it were flying in the same direction. It looked as
thought they were following its [interpreter: the airliner’s]wings. It [interpreter: the
airliner] had large wings and one on one side and one on the other side, their upper wings
side by side, they flew behind as if they were their escorts. Imagine a squadron: at the front
the conducting one [interpreter: the airliner]and behind it two escorting ones. That is the
way they were flying only at a rather longer distance. The conducting one and the escorts
are flying side by side but at a distance of about 20,25 kilometres…
T: Do you mean these fighter jets were the conducting one and the escort?
A: No, take a squadron as an example, the aircraft fly in the formation of a triangle: At
the front the principal aircraft and behind it two escorts… do you understand what I
mean? They[interpreter: aircraft] flew like a squadron only the airliner flew at the front
and the two fighter jets behind it at a certain distance, wing to wing at the same surface
[English translator:altitude]
T: I do understand only it is not clear to me… about the airliner, was this the conducting
one?
A: I mean as if it were the leading one…. In the same way that a squadron flies.
T: Yes, I understand…one moment….You should see it as.. what do you call it. The
fighter jets that are flying at the same altitude, they belong together that is how you should see
it. .. all three of those aircraft flew at the same altitude. You can compare it with for instance,
just like military terms: this one is the leader and the others the following aircraft… the cloud
cover was about 50%.
I: And then?
T: And what happened next?
A: It surprised me… as long as I live I have never seen aircraft flying in that way as if
they were on parade, and in this case two beside it at a certain distance… I stood observing
them for as long as I was able to see them…. When they had disappeared into the mist I
stopped looking… I was observing them for a long time.
T: It surprised me… I saw a kind of aircraft fly over… three aircraft at the same altitude
at such a short distance from each other and they flew into the clouds …and I still stood
looking that way and then they disappeared from the sky.
I: On what day was this?
T: When you were standing in the vegetable plot on what day was this?

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A: Sorry I can’t remember. What I do know is that… wait a minute … I came back
from the market …. No I can’t remember. What I do remember…. before that time…there
is a coal mining company in Torez and there is an old mine tower, and on that old mine
tower a fighter jet came down … the 16th .. June .. no July.. because a relative of mine had
called me and told me that they were without power… I asked what was going on … he told
me that an aircraft had come down on the old mine tower, that is why they were without
power …the power station had failed… my family lives over there…it is the “Progres” coal
mining company.
T: Did I understand you correctly … 16 July , on the old mine tower of the “Progres” coal
mining company?
A: Yes, yes
T: On 16 th of July an aircraft came down on the old tower of the “Progres” mining
company … and then the lights went out.
I: On the old tower…
T: That is a kind of mine tower of the “Progres” mining company… then the lights went
out.
I: When did he see an airliner with those two fighter jets?
T: When did you see the airliner with the two fighter jets? On what day? What date was
it?
A: The 17th … I was standing observing … the relative had told me that they were
without power .. a plane has come down on the old mine tower of the “Progres” mining
company..the cables of the power company are burnt … they will repair them soon. That is
why I was able to remember it. The aircraft fly over the Saur-Mogila..Saur-Mogila is a
high point in Donetsk province … that is where the rebels had their camp, and the planes
often came to attack them. An aircraft was gliding in the sky that day and was brought
down and fell on to the premises of the of the “Progres” mining company… on the 16th…
that is why I reme[translator: mber]. And the 17th two planes were flying and an airliner in
front . I stood observing them.
T: One moment… you are telling so much….
T: He is telling me so much all at once, I have to know very clearly how and what..
T: Did I understand correctly? The 16th you had the power station failed.
A: No, not where I am , in the town Torez … the “Progres” mine company… have a
look on the map … a plane came flying from Saur-Mogila..
T: One moment… On the 16th there was a power cut because a plane had come down on
the mine tower of the “Progres” mining company.. that was in Torez , that is where
there was a power failure. Right?
A: Yes, that was in Torez.
T: On the 16th of July (really the same story) .. a plane … fell on to the mine tower …a
power station, there was a power station there, the lights went out and the mining
company is called “Progres” and that is in Torez… that was on the 16th of July. He is
telling too much, I really can’t…. anymore…
I: Can you summarise it?
T: Yes.
I: You have to translate every part.
T: On 16 July a plane was brought down and it fell on to the mine tower… on the old
mine tower of the “Progres” in Torez.
A: Yes in Torez.
T: There at the power station there was a power failure. That is correct, right?
A: Yes
T: About the 16th it is correct anyway

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I: I will [say] what I have so far … you are going to tell him.
T: The investigator is going to say something to you now. Please listen.
I: On the 16th of July an airplane crashed on to the old mine tower of the “Progres”
mining company in Torez.
T: On the 16th of July an airplane crashed on to the old mine tower of the “Progres”
mining company in Torez.
I: On the 17th of July at three o’clock, this gentleman was in the garden of his house, the
vegetable plot.
T: On the 17th of July you were standing in the vegetable plot at three o’clock in the
afternoon. It was on 17 July.
A: Yes. After three o’clock.
I: At that moment the siren sounded
T: At that moment you heard the siren, yes?
A: I heard the siren, I was in the vegetable plot at that time. I saw an airliner in the sky
and fighter jets., I heard the roaring.
T: One moment please. Yes, correct, so at 3 o’clock I was in the vegetable plot.
I: At that moment he sees…. because he used to be a soldier, he is interested in aircraft,
he sees at that moment an airliner with to the left and to the right a fighter jet.
T: Because you are always interested in aircraft because you served in the army , you
saw on the day that you were in the vegetable plot, an airliner fly and two fighter jets.
A: Yes, at a certain distance…
T: Left and right.
A: Yes, to the left and the right.
T: Left and right.
A: Keeping to the same course.
T: Keeping to the same course.
I: From west to east
T: That is from west to east, right?
A: Yes, yes.
I: From his vegetable plot he had to look in the direction of these three towns.
T: When you were standing in the vegetable plot you were looking in the same direction
as where the aircraft were flying to, namely the direction of Kirovskoje, Skakhtjorsk
and Torez. Right?
A: Yes.
I: The cloud cover was 50% that day.
T: The cloud cover was 50%
A: Approximately 50%
T: Approximately
I: He sees that this airliner with on both sides fighter jets, one on each side, fly into the
clouds.
T: You see the airliner and two fighter jets, one the left and the right, fly into the cloud.
A: Yes within the sight of a human being my power of vision is good….
T: I have good eyes, so I was able to see that they …into the clouds.
I: What happened after that? What did he see and hear after that.
T: So they flew into the clouds. What else did you see and hear.
A: Did not see or hear anything else. The airliner went first and the fighter jest after it.
They disappeared into the clouds and I continued working in the vegetable plot.
T: So you saw them fly into the clouds. Other than that you did not see or hear anything.
A: How far I was able to see that so to speak, maybe some 30 kilometres.
T: So as far as I was able to see the planes….

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A: One moment, one moment…maybe 30 or I would even be able to see 40 kilometres.
Saur-Mogila is high up and when the weather is good you can even see the Azov
sea, that is more than 100 kilometres.
T: …107 km to the Azov sea.
A: Yes, from Saur-Mogila..by that I mean to say, how far I can see with my eyes, I
have good eyesight.
T: I have very good eyes. I was able to see it from very far off. If I were standing in this
place for instance, Saur-Mogila that is , it is really a high place in our region, from up
here I could even see the Azov sea that is approximately 105 km. I mean to say that I
have great eyes. And I stood looking , the aircraft just went in, the clouds that is, and
from that moment, so when I could not see them anymore, I did not see anything
neither did I hear anything.
I: And after that heard or seen anything?
T: The aircraft went into the clouds.
A: Yes, flew into the clouds.
T: Can you tell me if you heard or saw anything after they had flown into the clouds?
A: When they had gone into the clouds , I did not hear anything else. From my house,
the distance to Torez is 50 kilometres if you follow the road. I have gone there
several times on the motorcycle, my family lives there and in a straight line it is 35,
37, 38 km no more.
T: Where I live from Enakievo to Torez…and the distance is 50 km, if you go by
motorcycle for instance , and if you take from Enakievo to Torez in a straight line 35-
38 km.
I: What does he see after that. What does he see from his garden.
T: And after that when continued with your work in the vegetable garden, you did not
see or hear anything anymore, or did you?
A: I did not see anything else. I saw the last two, fighter jets, fly into the clouds and I
could not see anything else.
T: I saw that two fighter jets also flew into the clouds and from that moment I could not
see anything else.
I: Does he want this statement in his own name or does he wish to stay anonymous?
T: Can you tell me if you want to sign the statement you just made, or do you wish to
remain anonymous?
A: No, no … if I was able to send it but I don’t have e-mail here. At my age I decided to
explore the computer now. Before that time this was unknown territory to me.
T: One moment … if you had the possibility to sign, would you be willing to sign?
A: Yes, for 100%.
T: I would like to sign it for 100% of course I cannot do it via the computer because I
have only just learnt the computer.
I: The area where he lives now , is it… who is in control there now?
T: The region where you live now… who is the boss there now, under who is it now?
A: I understand you. The People’s Republic of Donetsk (DNR). The whole region
comes under DNR. Take Debaltsevo, Uglegorsk, from here to Lugansk province,
you have Kamenka there … all of it comes under the DNR.
T: He mentions different places and that is the DNR at this moment, under the DNR.
I: Is he prepared at a later stage… because we are going take his statement to the
investigation team. Is he prepared to make an additional statement at a later stage if
necessary, also by means of skype.
T: Your statement will be sent to the investigation team and afterwards they may have
some questions. Are you prepared to answer additional questions if need be?

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A: Yes, certainly.
T: Also via skype. Via Skype of course.
A: You have my name now. And another thing young lady. Take a map of Donetsk
province….
T: He has a question.
A: Look at the road from Debaltsevo-Rostov…
T: Debaltsevo…
A: From Debaltsevo to Rostov, Kharkov-Debaltsevo-Krasny luch-Rostov.
Stop at Krasny luch .. Have you found it?
T: No I do not have a map but I am writing it down.
A: Almost up to Krasny luch there were Ukrainian checkpoints 20 km…..to …were the
Ukrainian checkpoints.
T: In Debaltsevo, Kharkov and Krasny luch there were Ukrainian checkpoints?
A: Before Krasny luch were the Ukrainian checkpoints.
T: If you take the route Debaltsevo, Kharkov and Rostov from Kharkov you look for
Krasny luch, that is a different place, near this place was a checkpoint of the Ukrainian
army.
I: Yes…
T: Yes and what else?
A: The point is … The Ukrainians might have brought it down in order to put the
blame on the DNR. That is my supposition because if you look on the map , you see
the road from Gravobo that goes to the motorway, from Gravobo to the motorway is
about 25-30 km.
T: One moment. He is giving some details. He says, that is my opinion, I do not think
that the rebels have brought down the plane because he gives details about distances.
So…
I: I think that we are going to continue some other time with a detailed interview
anyway..
T: I think that we are going to continue our conversation not today but at a later date.
A: Fine, but when exactly? I am not always behind the laptop, if you call me on the
phone , I will switch the laptop on.
T: Will you call me on the phone? Because I am not going to be on skype all day.
I: I understand. I will text him to make an appointment.
T: I will send you a text message in which I will say when you should be on skype.
A: What I also wanted to say. When the people had not been recovered for a long time,
people from the “Progres” coal mining company were sent there in order to recover
them.
T: Do you mean the mortal remains?
A: Yes, yes… I know this for sure. I have relatives who work there. One works for this
company, the other is retired, he is 15 years older than me. He worked there as a
mechanic, he knows everything…
T: You mean that he helped clear the human remains.
A: Not he himself… people from every department from the coalmine were sent.
T: Human remains were lying there for a long time… in this area and I know via my
relative that people were sent there from different places to pick up and store away
human remains.
I: We would like the date of birth of this gentleman.
T: Can you give your date of birth please?
A: 18 August 1955.
T: Understood 1955?

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A: Yes
I: Where were you born?
T: Where were you born?
A: Here.
T: What do you mean by here?
A: In the town Enakievo.
I: We have all his details
A: I have been living in the same house for 60 years.
T: I have been living in the same house for 60 years. I was born and raised here, born in
Enakievo.
I: We can tell him what he has stated now. I am going to submit it to the leader of the
investigation team. If it has to be more detailed… the interview… we will text him or
telephone him in order to make contact via skype one day at a certain time to extend
the skype statement.
T: Let us agree the following. I have to pass on your statement to my superior, to
someone who is the leader of our investigation team, he is going to go through the
statement. If contact with you is necessary, we will send you a text message with a
date and time so that you will be on skype again on that day and at that time in order to
talk to us.
A: Yes, fine… and another thing. . I was watching the programme RTR Planeta on
Russian TV and a man from Gravobo said that a fighter jet flew away .. that is the
problem…I can’t remember when the programme of that channel is on [note
English translator: Dutch not clear]… what that man said, he said that a fighter jet
was flying close by at a certain altitude and flew away.
T: What was the name of the TV channel ?
A: RTL Planeta
T: On what day was this, do you remember?
A: I don’t know… you can fill in “Boeing” in the search engine. That is where you can
find it.
T: There was also a male eyewitness from Gravobo, he also told his story about a fighter
jet that flew away… that is from RTL Planeta… but I cannot tell on what date but if
you just key it in you can see it… that is his story… that man’s.
I: Okay, we will do that as well … our appointment… if we want to examine him again
we will contact him. You can thank him for continuing to try to have this conversation
I would like to thank him for that.
T: So we have agreed, we will send an sms and we will say when we will make an
appointment with you for you to be on skype again. We thank you very much that you
were determined enough to try and phone us for a third day to get contact…..
A: I am in favour of justice prevailing.
T: I am in favour of justice.
A: …..In Ukraine it is all chaos now. They did the change of power … since then
everything has been going wrong… people died in the accident for nothing…
T: One man has overturned everything that why this situation came about. I just think
they are innocent victims.
I: We want to thank him… if it is necessary we will contact him.
T: Thank you very much for calling , thank you for your information. If it is necessary
we will contact you. We have already told you how we are going to contact you.
Thank you very much.
A: I heard something on the TV and from my family in Torez what happened there.

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T: I have relatives in Torez as well. I heard from them as well what they told me and
what it was like overthere.
I: That ….next time.
T: And bring the relatives as well?
I: If it is necessary we will do that as well.
T: If it is necessary that your relatives have a conversation with us we will let you know
as well.
A: How are they going to talk? They don’t have skype.
T: We[sic] live in Torez en …
A: They don’t have skype … he is 78.
T: He is 78 years old….
I: We now know what this gentleman saw. We are going to analyse that …for a more
detailed statement we will come back to him.
T: Thank you for the information you have given us, this is sufficient for the time being
to do a first analysis and afterwards, when this has been analysed we will contact you
again. Thank you very much.
A: I plead for justice.
T: Thanks again. ….
A: Another thing… before that [translator: event] I looked at aircraft , they roared, and
before that [translator: event] aircraft , fighter jets flew very frequently. The glass in
the windows of the houses shook… that is why I paid attention to the aircraft every
time after their flying day [sic]in June. They flew over Enakievo , you can ask
anyone about that , they flew at a low altitude so that the glass shook. At the
beginning of Ju.. [translator: inaudible] … that is why I pay attention to aircraft.
T: Did you say June?
A: They flew in June and July. They were doing reconnaissance here in June and
July.
T: In June and July 2014 many fighter jets were flying very low. At some point you start
to notice of course . I watched the aircraft. What struck me as well is that they roared,
but what he meant?.... on what day… that I don’t know, shall I enquire?
I: You can but we will come back to that anyway, or in his statement… we read many
points that are being asked. We are going to put it on paper and we will pass it on and
then he will be questioned further via Skype. We will contact him.
T: Please hold on to that information, first we are going to analyse what you have told
us….
A: One more minute…when I nearly found myself under the airplanes[translator:
probably the bombardments]…2 June I travelled from my brother’s in Antrasit, my
brother lives outside Antrasit in the town Seludikovo [translator: phonetically], I
was sitting on a bus, at the bend near….[translator: place name inaudible] the bus
took the bend and at that moment bombardments of the motorway were carried out
by a fighter jet. There were civilian cars and busses at the checkpoint and at that
checkpoint they were being fired at. This was on 2 June at 14:30.
T: Did you understand that we will contact you at a later date?
A: Yes, yes.. that is what I mean, why I paid attention to airplanes.
T: So… 2 June .. a relative was on a bus on the way to somewhere. On that day civilian
cars and busses were fired at from the air. .. by fighter jets .. so the checkpoints… to
get anywhere you have to go via the checkpoints, and they happened to fly along the
road, the road with civilian cars, they started firing at them, just to give an indication
as to why I keep an eye on aircraft.

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I: He knows what is going to happen next. Again thank him for all the trouble he has
taken to make this interview possible. If necessary we will contact him at a later date
via sms or telephone for a skype interview.
T: I would like to thank you once again for what you have told us. I would like to tell
you once again, we have agreed with you that if necessary we will contact you. Via an
sms, you come on skype again and we will discuss this subject further with you.
A: I would prefer it if you telephone, I don’t always look at incoming text messages
because of the advertisements, that is why I don’t pay attention to them.
T: I understand you. We are going to end the conversation. I will pass on what you have
just told me. We understand that you would rather be called on the telephone for a
skype interview.
A: We cannot see each other but we can hear each other.
T: Very good. We thank you. Have a good evening. Good health and good bye.
R: Good bye.

Requests and applications made by the defence team of suspect Oleg Yuldashevich Pulatov
3 July 2020 the Dutch Court has rendered an interlocutory decision on requests and applications made by the defence, counsel for MH17 relatives and the Public Prosecution Service. The relevant sections for this article:

“Furthermore, the defence notes that, in the case of certain materials secured in April 2015, i.e. three shards and a tube, the case file does not state how long they had already been at the crash site, and how they got there. The defence asks what investigation was subsequently conducted on site in Ukraine to rule out the possibility that those materials might have originated, for example, from a BUK missile fired by Ukraine prior to 17 April 2015 and/or that they were planted as evidence? The defence points out that, given the tenor of the JIT agreement, it is entirely plausible that Ukraine was in a position to exert compelling influence on the investigation carried out by the JIT. […]

Section 7, para. 27
The court will also grant the request to interview the reporting officers named in official report of findings Primo-05356 on the special seizure of three shards and a tube, (Primo 17-496, Primo 17- 495, Primo 17-511 and Primo 17-512), to question them regarding their findings with respect to securing the alleged missile components.”

Defence lawyer Ten Doesschate further complains about the fact that documents are still being shielded from the defense. That hinders the defense, she explains. In addition, the lawyers are not given any reason for the foreclosure against which they could object. She asks the court to determine that video recordings are added to the file. According to Ten Doesschate, these videos probably show where exactly pieces of the BUK missile were found and how those pieces were secured.

The Defence requests records of witnesses who found missile parts. Witness M58 – some documents redacted. Some parts redacted regarding conditions for granting interviews – these should be released.
Witness X48’s statement is not included, just a summary. Even asked questions are blanked out. What happened during the making of this statement?

Is the defence team just trying to sow doubt with unsubstantiated requests?

Contrary to BBC reporter Anne Holligan who reported “gasps as MH17 investigators reveal what appears to be part of Buk missile inside press conference” and claims in absolute terms “9m38 missile series Buk missile responsible. Manufactured in Russia,” a few hours after the presser the JIT publishes an extremely important ‘nuance’, completely ignored by all media:

“The extent to which both parts belong to the missile fired by the BUK-TELAR of the 53rd Brigade cannot yet be stated with certainty.”

Notice in the Dutch police report 26DLRPRIMO-05356:

“a witness pointed out the finding locations of these parts. While doing this the witness said he had seen these parts there for the first time a few weeks before 17 April 2015.”

That is to say, the casing and other parts have remained unnoticed for more than eight months.
Or, the casing with measurements of about one meter in length and diameter thirty centimetres has been planted.

Notice in the Dutch police report 26DLRPRIMO-05356 officer Thiry uses the term:

“de vermoedelijke vindlocaties van genoemde raketonderdelen”, which in the English version is translated as: “the probable supposed finding locations of the missile parts.”

If the prosecutors fail to unequivocally prove the missile casing is indeed from the Buk missile that shot down the Malaysian Boeing, they will fall back on other evidence. Nothing lost.
If the defence lawyers prove the casing is not part of the murder weapon, they will not have gained a lot. And besides, how could they prove the casing was planted if only the officers who recorded the testimonies can be interviewed, but the witnesses who allegedly collected the parts remain anonymous?

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